Episode 165 - Young & Hot & Raising Hell

Ep. 165 - Young & Hot & Raising Hell

Published on June 17th, 2019.

Recorded by Shannon and Scott.

Transcribed by Shreya Shanker.

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SHANNON and SCOTT: 1, 2, 3, 4.

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SCOTT: Welcome to Song Salad with Shannon and Scott!

SHANNON: I’m Shannon!

SCOTT: And I’m Scott.

SHANNON: I’m a professional writer and your resident lyricist.

SCOTT: And I’m a professional musician and your resident composer.

SHANNON and SCOTT: And together-

SHANNON: We toss up a new song each week.

SCOTT: Using a random music genre-

SHANNON: And a random topic.

SCOTT: That's right. Using our proprietary, patented, prenuptial, industrial-strength salad spinner, we randomize over 500 music genres!

SHANNON: And hit the "Random Article" button on Wikipedia to get our topic.

SCOTT: Uh-huh. And last week, we wrote a wedding song, an end-of-the-night wedding party song, about healthcare in Kenya. Like you do. So let's see what's in store for us this week, as we fire up the salad spinner to generate our genre and topic.

SHANNON: Here we go!

SCOTT: But wait! It's a special week.

SHANNON: [gasps] It's always a special week on Song Salad.

SCOTT: [laughs] You thought that we were just going to go right into the salad spinner, didn't you, listener?

SHANNON: So did I! Cause I forgot what we were doing. [laughs] But no!

SCOTT: [laughs] Everyone's surprised!

SHANNON: We have a special guest this week.

SCOTT: We do!

SHANNON: Maggie Carr from Harridan Productions.

SCOTT: Yes. She's very funny and very cool.

SHANNON: Yes, and she is a producer, and writer, and actress, and she'll be here- uh- to give us a little more info about her projects, which are super fun and easy to find on Instagram and enjoy! (SCOTT: Mm-hmm.) Uh, and she will give us our topic!

SCOTT: Yes, so we'll still get a random genre from the salad spinner, and Maggie will give us our topic.

SHANNON: So. Let's do it.

SCOTT: This week, we're writing a song in the style of...

[whirring machinery sound effect begins, then comes sound of something splatting out of the machine]

SHANNON and SCOTT: J-Ska! J-Ska.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Oh boy.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) About...

SHANNON: About...

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SHANNON: Somethin'.

SCOTT: Whatever Maggie tells us.

SHANNON: Yeah. So...


SCOTT: Well, here's the thing. 'J' in front of any genre means Japanese.

SHANNON: Yes, except for JDate, which is Jewish.

SCOTT: Oh, yes. And except for J. Keith van Straaten.

SHANNON: Which is quiz.

SCOTT: (quietly) Quiz.

SHANNON: (even more quietly) Quiz.

SCOTT: [laughs] So, japanese ska.

SHANNON: Oh boy.

SCOTT: This is gonna be fun.

SHANNON: Yeah. Do you think it's notably different than, like, regular ska music?

SCOTT: I dunno, I mean, if you consider, like, j-pop and j-rock and stuff, usually the sound is a little bit more, like, polished, produced, (SHANNON: Yeah.) pop-influenced? Uh, than the American counterpart. But I dunno! I'm sure there's a lot of variations from band to band.

SHANNON: I don't want to sing in Japanese.

SCOTT: Does Maggie speak Japanese?

SHANNON: Uh, that would be a negative.

SCOTT: [laughs] Well, we can listen to some examples and see if they all- all these bands sing in Japanese or if there's some English, or- I dunno. Hopefully there's some English. (crosstalk) Usually.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah! We'll see.

SCOTT: We could just throw in, like, a Japanese word here or there.

SHANNON: True. We- I feel like we've- well, we actually- did we have Shinda Ushi, the dead cow song?

SCOTT: Uh-huh?

SHANNON: Did- did Abby sing some of that in Japanese? I can't remember.


SHANNON: Maybe. That was our Enka episode.

SCOTT: Yeah. Pretty sure.

SHANNON: Umm, hmm. Well.

SCOTT: Well, I guess we should say what we know about ska. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah! True, let's talk about ska. Uh... lots of horns.

SCOTT: Perpy horns, your favorite!

SHANNON: I do love perpy horns, almost as much as I love a funky bass.

SCOTT: [laughs] Well, we can have both in this genre.


SCOTT: Uh, we've done just ska before, we did a song called...

SHANNON: "Tiny Town Choo-Choo."

SCOTT: Yes! About the model train museum in Germany.

SHANNON: Episode 25, still one of my favorites.

SCOTT: Wow, so when we did that episode, we learned that, uh, ska involves horns and a rock band and this guitar rhythm called the "skank", (SHANNON: Yeah!) which is also a dance move that you can do to this music.

SHANNON: Yeah, it's- the guitar sounds like (sings) "chonk, chonk, chonk, chonk, chonk."

SCOTT: Yeah! On all of the offbeats.


SCOTT: And it's, like, upbeat and energetic and fun!

SHANNON: It has some of the same anti-establishment, um, views that punk does.

SCOTT: Well, at least the American version .

SHANNON: Right, but it's not presented as, like, nihilistically and bleakly and, um, negatively? It's more... I dunno, like, individualistic and humanistic, I think.

SCOTT: Yeah.


SCOTT: And it comes out of reggae, so.

SHANNON: Yes! Yes.

SCOTT: We'll have to see what, you know, when J-Ska was popular, or is popular.

SHANNON: Right. Should we find that out?

SCOTT: Let's find it out! (SHANNON: Okay, let's go!) Instead of just, like, rambling about things we don't know.

SHANNON: That's- we would not have a podcast if that was true.

SCOTT: Here we go!

[Timestamp: 05:07]

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SCOTT: It is, indeed, Japanese.

SHANNON: Wow, we, uh-

SCOTT: [laughs]

SHANNON: -we got really far with our research, guys.

SCOTT: The end.

SHANNON: J-ska is Japanese ska!

SCOTT: Yeah! Uh, ska music made in Japan, and it has been called the third wave of ska, that combines traditional Jamaican club sounds with metal, punk, folk, funk, and country. But listening to some examples, I think it's mostly like a ska-punk vibe that's popular? And then there is also the opposite end of the spectrum with this group called the Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra, that's very much on the pop end of things, and more rooted in that traditional Jamaican bossanova ska kind of thing, since they have a larger instrumental ensemble to play with.

SHANNON: They are also probably the most well-known group, because they've toured extensively in the US and in Europe.

SCOTT: Yeah! They formed in the 80s and it seems like they're still performing today, but the height of this Japanese ska's popularity was in the 90s.

SHANNON: Just like in the US too.

SCOTT: Yeah. Kinda coincided. And that was this third wave of ska music.

SHANNON: Right. So, it does appear that most of the lyrics are in Japanese...

SCOTT: Yep! Some songs we found are in English, but most in Japanese. (SHANNON: Yeah...) But since there are some in English, we have permission!

SHANNON: We- we're going to do English. Yeah, we also found that- just like ska in the US, there are a lot of covers of other songs (SCOTT: Yeah.) that have been skankified, I guess. If you could call it that. Including a version of "Auld Lang Syne"-

SCOTT: [laughs] Happy New Year, I guess?

SHANNON: Yeah, by the group Snail Ramp. [laughs]

SCOTT: Great name.

SHANNON: Yeah! And you can hear- you'll hear the "Auld Lang Syne", but you will also hear the rest of the lyrics in Japanese.

SCOTT: Over a ska-punk groove.


SCOTT: Here it is!

[Timestamp: 07:20]

[45 seconds of "Auld Lang Syne" by Snail Ramp.]


SCOTT: So like we mentioned, perpy horns, funky bass, and skanking guitar. (SHANNON: Yeah.) Along with, kind of like, still very much sung lyrics, but a sort of, like, gruff and rough vocal sound that's, like, devil-may-care [laughs] attitude.

SHANNON: Yeah, it's like- it's very straight tone, forward in the voice, just kinda yellin' on a pitch.

SCOTT: Yeah!


SCOTT: It reminds me of American bands like Sum 41 and Blink-182, if they did more of like a ska vibe, those bands, but, like, I think the punk attitude, as you'll hear in some other examples we've found, seems to be important in this J-Ska.

SHANNON: Yeah, uh, and like I said, there- there's a little bit more of a softer edge to ska? Versus punk, um, possibly that comes out of the reggae, calypso (SCOTT: Right.) origins? Or, like, that influence? Because that is definitely, like, a very laid-back genre that is talking all about unity and humanity and, like, oneness and companionship.

SCOTT: [laughs] Yeah.


SCOTT: There's an interesting thing here that says, "reggae's syncopated rhythms are echoed in the rhythm of Okinawan music (SHANNON: Yeah, I read that!), so much so that Okinawa's music is sometimes called Japanese reggae," so, it's interesting that the, like- I guess that probably means the folk music, traditional music, of Okinawa has similar, you know, bass rhythms to these Jamaican genres. So.

SHANNON: Should we try to find, like, an example of that?

SCOTT: Y'know, I looked stuff up, and it's way too big of a category to narrow down, so-

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Makes sense, I guess.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) -let's just believe it. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah, sure. [laughs] Let's just believe it.

SCOTT: But let's hear another example, shall we?

SHANNON: Yeah! Let's do one of the famous guys, the Tokyo Paradise Explosion, or what was it?

SCOTT: (over Shannon) Yeah! Here's "Beautiful Burning Forest" by Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra.

SHANNON: Oh. Or that.

[About a minute of "Beautiful Burning Forest" by Tokyo Ska Paradise Orchestra.]

SCOTT: So yeah, you can hear it's much more laid-back, polished, uh, y'know, poppy.


SCOTT: Jazzy.


SCOTT: And it's funny, according to this Wikipedia article, the categorization of ska music in Japan at Tower Records in Tokyo? They classify all Japanese ska as "hardcore." [laughs]

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Oh. Yeah.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) No matter how laid-back it is, just- if you're looking for ska, you gotta go to the hardcore section.

SHANNON: Yeah, it seems like there- they don't do as much, like, separating and acknowledging the genre in Japan as they do in- in other countries? Cause I also saw a lot of reference to it being, like, lumped together with pop music. (SCOTT: Got it.) Cause a lot of the bands also play pop.

SCOTT: Oh, okay.

SHANNON: Yeah, so I can understand how the distinction would bleed.

SCOTT: Sure. Uh, one more example?


SCOTT: Let's do... Potshot. Is the band.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Ooh. Yeah. I like that one.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) And here's a song called "Radio" off of their album "Pots and Shots."

SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]

[45 seconds of "Radio" by Potshot.]

SCOTT: So again, more poppy, punky ska vibe.

SHANNON: Poppy, punky ska vibe should be our ska band name.

SCOTT: [laughs] Yes. So, yeah, it seems like this genre was very popular around 1997 in Japan, and there's still a lot of bands doing it today, but it's not, like, a movement like it was for a little while there. (SHANNON: Yeah.) So. We're going to make such a good J-Ska song that it's going to reignite the passion for this genre in Japan.

SHANNON: Japan does have one of the most intense fan cultures of any country in the world.

SCOTT: Hmm, we need to figure out how to get in on that.

SHANNON: I was gonna say, if we can figure out how to just plug right into that-

SCOTT: Then we could literally get t-shirts that say "I'm big in Japan."


SCOTT: [laughs]

SHANNON: Hey, any Japanese listeners out there, hello, how are you. Hit us up. What do we need to do? Do we need to make, like, a manga of us? What's happening?

SCOTT: Do we need to apply for Terrace House?

SHANNON: Ohhhh. Oh my god. We would be so bad on Terrace House.

SCOTT: We arrive in the house on Terrace House, and they're like, "oh, what are your career goals?" And we're like, "well, we- we have a podcast we really want to make famous in Japan." And they're like, "oh, what are your relationship goals?" "We're both married, that's not-" [laughs]

SHANNON: (crosstalk) "Yeah, that's not-"

SCOTT: (crosstalk) "That's not a thing."

SHANNON: "Like, none of- step off, everybody." [laughs]

SCOTT: No, not right for Terrace House.


SCOTT: Alright. So I think, uh, we're probably ready to bring Maggie in, yeah?

SHANNON: Yeah, I think- I think we should go get her. In our- she's in our green room. We have to go get her. Aka, my apartment.

SCOTT: [laughs] Oh, she's in your apartment right now?



SHANNON: But soon.

SCOTT: Cause I was gonna make a joke that the green room was the outdoors cause she's walking here. [laughs]

SHANNON: Oh. I mean, yeah, that- that could also be-

SCOTT: Green from trees.


SCOTT: Alright, here we go!

SHANNON: Here we go.

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SHANNON: We're back! With Maggie Carr!

SCOTT: Woo-hoo!

SHANNON: Of Harridan Productions. Maggie is a writer, a producer, an actress, a singer, a lady of the night. [laughs]

MAGGIE: [laughs]

SCOTT: Whoa.

SHANNON: And we're so glad that she's here with us! Maggie Carr!

SCOTT: Okay.

MAGGIE: Yes, I am a- I don't like to talk about it, but I am a prostitute, I'm glad Shannon shared that, that's really great.

SHANNON: I'm sorry I blew your cover.

MAGGIE: [laughs] Y'know, you gotta make money somehow. (SHANNON: Yeah.) Certainly not from acting, so.

SCOTT: No. No.

SHANNON: Um, yeah! We are so glad that you're here with us, and we'd love to hear a little bit more about Harridan Productions and what cool stuff you're putting out on the internet that our listeners might like to listen to.

MAGGIE: Yeah! Um, thanks for having me, guys, I'm super excited.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Thanks for being here!

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah!

MAGGIE: Um, so like uh, what was it? Last summer, I was working on a show in Hartford, Connecticut, and as a actress, you get a lot of, like, self tape for the first- like, you get self tape requests for the first round of, like, TV and film auditions?

SHANNON: So that mean that someone will be, like, "hey, we have this script, can you read it on tape and send it to us?" Versus coming in and actually auditioning for them.

MAGGIE: Yeah, yeah. That's very common. Um, and, I got one for a new TV show that- I don't know if it ever got picked up or if it was just the pilot or not - but it had big actors in it, it was on a big network, and it was for a recurring role for a girl who was, I also believe, a lady of the night, which- maybe that's why they called me in. I do have it on my resume.

SCOTT: [laughs]

SHANNON: (under Maggie) Method acting!

MAGGIE: Lady of the night. And, um, the whole scene, the self tape was to do a lap dance. In the television show, it was going to be naked, but there was a couple lines in the scene, but it was mostly just a lap dance.

SCOTT: Wow, ABC Family is really changing its tune.

SHANNON: [laughs] Guys, show business is a hellscape.

MAGGIE: It is! And I was, like- so basically, I was like, "so what they're asking is that I get into- like, put a sheet up in my bedroom and, like, fake gyrate on nothing, and then send it to them and be, like, what do you guys think?"

SCOTT: "What do you think? How was that?

MAGGIE: And I just, like, imagined some guys in a dark room - cause they're not looking at me saying, like, "hey there, stud," they're just looking at the gyrating, right? And I just imagined them being, like, "No. No. Yes. No." Like, judging all of these women, and I lost my mind a little bit, and I was like "I can't," I emailed my managers, and I was like, "I am not going to do this (SCOTT: No.) and I don't think I can do-" cause this was not the first time I'd gotten, like- (SCOTT: Wow.) and it's very common! I'm not- I'm not in the minority here, and, um, I was like, "well, what am I going to do?" So I decided to start a production company this November (SHANNON: Woo!), and it focuses on women in front of and behind the camera (SCOTT: Nice.) writing, directing, acting, DP, sound, editing, post-production, pre-production, anything that you can think of, women being involved in it, and giving women agency in every aspect of film-making, and a little bit of theater as well, with the goal of being- what does it look like if the woman is in charge of every aspect, and what does that mean when we have agency? We're going to tell different stories.

SHANNON: I think, probably, better ones. [laughs]

SCOTT: So do you now send, um, self tape requests to men for them to do lap dances at home?

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) No. No. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yes. Yes. (crosstalk) No. No. You wish. No. [laughs]

MAGGIE: I hadn't thought about that! But I should put, like-

SCOTT: Start putting those out!

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah!

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) Yeah, just put a male of the night.

SHANNON: (under Maggie) [laughs]

SCOTT: (under Maggie) Man of the night.

MAGGIE: Into something and be, like, just send a couple pics, like a couple shots of, you know, your dick, and we'll- okay, am I allowed to say that on your podcast?

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah, yeah, you're good.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Yeah, we have an explicit rating.

MAGGIE: Oh, that's really great, okay, yeah, well then I just wanna see, like, the- put a ruler next to it, and then I will decide whether or not you get to say one line that I will eventually cut (SCOTT: Right.) in my show.

SHANNON: That's empowerment (SCOTT and MAGGIE: Yeah!), is what that is.

MAGGIE: It's really great, yeah.

SCOTT: It's 2019!

MAGGIE: Yeah, yeah.

SHANNON: So what are some of the things that you've either started production on, or are out there in the world already?

MAGGIE: Um, so, we've only started in November, so we're a baby production company, but we have already started putting out two shows. One is called Interview, which is- we're also, I failed to mention that we're a short-form media company, so we're really interested in any short-form fiction and nonfiction story that is told via social media or the Web! (SCOTT: Cool.) So our first venture into that is a show that is made for Instagram, but it's on other social media platforms, called Interview, which is one minute episodes of different actors playing different characters being interviewed, and I think it's very funny, it's a (crosstalk) comical show.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) It is very funny.

MAGGIE: [laughs]

SHANNON: It is, yes, it is (crosstalk) very funny.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) I love your Instagram influencer character. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yes! [laughs]

MAGGIE: Oh, Kay-Cee Donshan, she is- she's a popular one. Most of our DMs are about Kay-Cee Donshan. (SCOTT: Really?) I was actually- she has- so we're getting ready to put out our, like, next round of videos, cause we're testing out, y'know, how regularly we're gonna put them out. Now we can put them out more regularly, but I was editing some this morning of her, and I don't wanna give anything away, not that- spoilers! (SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]) On this exciting Instagram channel I know you're all following!

SCOTT: You guys are going to get petitions like Season 8 of Game of Thones.

MAGGIE: Please rewrite (crosstalk) Interview! [laughs]

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Rewrite Kay-Cee!

SHANNON: [laughs] #JusticeForKay-Cee.

SCOTT: Right! Her arc was not leading to this! [laughs]


MAGGIE: Oh man. She's had about a three minute arc. But I- I wear- I got this really shitty bathing suit from Amazon. (SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]) I, like, put into Amazon, "shitty bathing suit," and they were like, "we have many options!" Um, and, I got sent this leopard print bathing suit, and I- it's basically an episode with Kay-Cee talking about, like, how you're supposed to wear a bathing suit to be trendy, (SCOTT: Uh-huh.) and there was- I did not realize how much time, um- cause I play Kay-Cee on the show, and I didn't realize how much time my director and DP were spending putting the camera directly on my butt? While I was twerking? And there's some really intense slo-mo of, like- you really, you don't wanna see the physics of your own ass. (SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]) But now I have. And you know, it was on my terms!

SHANNON: Yes! [laughs]

SCOTT: Yes! (crosstalk) It's all full-circle.

MAGGIE: I like how I'm like, "I want empowerment for women, I'm gonna put on this shitty bathing suit and twerk! That's what I want!"

SHANNON: That's Miley Cyrus feminism right there.

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) Yeah, I mean, listen-

SCOTT: (crosstalk) My bathing suit, my choice.

SHANNON and MAGGIE: [laugh]

SHANNON: Yeah, amazing. (SCOTT: Oh man.) So yeah, Interview's very fun, but then you also do things like Hands to Hands.

MAGGIE: Yeah! Hands to Hands is actually our first, like, co-pro with another company called Opal Studios, which is run by a girl named Shiori Saito. And she does a show - she had it in Japan - and, um, she's brought it here, and it's about, basically, creators, it's about people who make things with their hands, artists who make things with their hands, and she does beautiful work. And she co-directs Interview with me, and the same DP and camerawoman on that, whose name is Sinae, is also on Interview, um, so, I do a lot of producing work for them, and, um, Opal and Harridan have really overlapped, cause we have similar goals, except Shiori's company, Opal, is much more delicate than my company. [laugh]

SCOTT: [laugh] It's good to have a balance.

SHANNON: Um, yeah, uh - but that show is amazing and so gorgeous, they have an episode about two women in Brooklyn who make pottery with their hands, and I immediately bought - they make this vase that just has little drawings of boobs all over it. I was like, "purchased!"

SCOTT and MAGGIE: [laugh]

SHANNON: Pottery on my terms.

MAGGIE: Yeah. [laughs]

SCOTT: [laughs]

SHANNON: And she did an episode about a guy named Bobby Zlatnik who makes wigs for mostly drag queens but also for, like, Broadway, Off-Broadway (SCOTT: Cool!) (MAGGIE: Really cool.), yeah, he's amazing. And she also did a show on a new designer named Stella Rose. I don't know if I'm outing all of her shows that are coming out, but she does a lot of gorgeous stuff. She's also on social media everywhere, the "Hands to Hands" show is, if you go to the Harridan page, you can find her stuff as well.

SCOTT: Cool.

SHANNON: So. Where can people find you on the Harridan page?

MAGGIE: The easiest way to find us is to go to Instagram. I dunno if you guys have all heard of it. [laughs] Our handle for Harridan, the company, which will lead you to all the things we're doing and all the future projects we're doing (there's a lot of exciting stuff coming up) is @harridanproductions. That's pretty easy to find - @harridanproductions.

SCOTT: Can you spell Harridan?

MAGGIE: Oh, Harridan! Yeah, I should explain that. Harridan. H-A-R-R-I-D-A-N. Harridan is, like, an old-timey term for a bitch or a bossy woman.

SHANNON: [laughs]

SCOTT: I did not know that.

MAGGIE: No one does!

SHANNON: It's so good.

SCOTT: [laughs]

MAGGIE: My husband thought of it, and - I'm constantly like, "this was a terrible idea," because everyone's like, "Parridan? Sheridan?" And I'm like, "it's Harridan, you know, a bitch! Like I'm being right now to you, cause you don't know what a Harridan is." Um, and then you can find the Interview show under the handle @interviewtheshow on Instagram. We're also on Twitter with the same handles!

SCOTT: Great!

SHANNON: Amazing. So, we've asked Maggie to be our expert today and give us a topic. (SCOTT: Yeah.) I must admit that I have a lot of trepidation about what you might be bringing, (crosstalk) knowing-

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Why's that, Shannon?

SHANNON: Ah, knowing Maggie's proclivities, um, it's probably going to be about something about taxidermy, something about horror films and effects, something about true crime, like - like the most grizzly and horrible unsolved true crimes, um-

SCOTT: You know, usually if we get a Wikipedia article that's about something, like, a murder, we just spin again and get a different one, so we don't have to-

MAGGIE: No way!

SHANNON: Yeah, cause we don't wanna make fun of a murder, but.

SCOTT: Well, this week! (SHANNON: This week!) It's whatever you want, Maggie.

SHANNON: Yeah. [laughs]

MAGGIE: Oh man. Um, I mean, Shannon, you're right. I dunno, did you already explain that I know you?


MAGGIE: No? [laughs]

SCOTT: Oh god. P.S. We're friends.

MAGGIE: Yeah. P.S. I love you. (SHANNON: [laughs]) Starring Gerard Butler. Remember when that happened? No one talks about that enough. Um, so yeah, Shannon's husband is my oldest and dearest friend, and Shannon is basically a female version of my husband. They both - I'm not kidding, I eavesdropped on one of their conversations the other day, and they were talking about semi-colons. 100% true. (SHANNON: [laughs]) Like, yeah, fine, whatever. It's fine! (SCOTT: Wow.) I mean, they're both the smartest, most lovely people I've ever met. Actually, you are too.

SCOTT: Oh, thanks!

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) You guys are all so lovely.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) I do not care about semi-colons.

MAGGIE: Neither do- I don't actually- I couldn't tell you if it's the one with two dots or the dot and then the comma. And I don't wanna know, don't tell me. (SHANNON: [laugh])

SCOTT: It's the one in the winky face.

MAGGIE: Oh, yeah. I thought it was that!

SCOTT: Yeah!

MAGGIE: Yeah, okay. Anyway, so the reason I chose this topic - I'm actually surprised Shannon didn't figure it out already - is that I have a favorite film of all time.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Ooh!

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Oh my god.

MAGGIE: And- and it is Clive Barker's "Hellraiser", the 1987 classic. I believe it's '87. It's '87. Um, and I talk about it all the time, I have a taxidermied mouse that is in the shape of Pinhead, who was the lead villain of the film, although he's not really the villain technically. But recently, I've talked about this for years, and recently I found out Shannon thought I was talking about the movie "Hellboy" with Ron Perlman.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Oh. Common mistake.

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) And I'm not talking about that. [laugh]

SHANNON: The whole time I've known Maggie, I thought "Hellboy" was her favorite movie.

SCOTT: It's some people's favorite movie.

SHANNON: Somebody. Somebody. (SCOTT and MAGGIE: [laugh]) Yeah.

SCOTT: You were right, it is 1987, I just looked up the Wikipedia article.

MAGGIE: I'm really impressed with myself. But the reason I picked it was - well, I mean, there's a lot of reasons I picked it, but first of all, from listening to the show, I know it's best if Shannon has a virgin mind to the topic. (SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]) And she didn't- and she didn't even know that this was a movie, even though I talked to her about it for years, so she has no idea what this is, even a little bit. Should I now talk about it? Do I tell you guys (crosstalk) about it?

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Let's talk about it.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah, yeah, yeah!

SCOTT: And I have to confess, I've never seen it, but I am familiar with it.

MAGGIE: Oh my gosh, guys, I'm so happy. This is all I ever wanna do (SHANNON: [laughs]), have a national forum be like, "Maggie, tell us about Clive Barker's Hellraiser."

SCOTT: International.

MAGGIE: Well- oh yeah, international! Sorry, I'm sorry, I- I don't have as large goals as you guys do. Not global for me. Um, Hellraiser is made by Clive Barker who is a British horror writer and director. The movie- it's based on a book he wrote called The Hellbound Heart, and- which I also love. And it's basically about a girl named Kirsty Cotton whose father- well, her uncle, whose name is Frank Cotton, gets into some deals with- we don't really know what it is. Satanic-like forces? Gets a puzzle box, opens it up, and out comes the Cenobites. They're called Cenobites.

SCOTT: Cenobites.

MAGGIE: Yes, C-E-N-I think O-B-I-T-E-S. And the Cenobites are these- they describe themselves as angels to some, demons to others.


SHANNON: Okay...

MAGGIE: I- this is so funny that I'm talking about this in a serious setting.

SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]

MAGGIE: And they are- basically when you open up this puzzle box, they come and they rip you apart.


MAGGIE: But it's because you want it- it's to, like, push the boundaries of what pain and pleasure is. And they aren't really good or bad, they're just- there, all the time.

SHANNON: Is this a sex thing?

MAGGIE: It's a little bit of a sex thing.

SHANNON: Oh! [laughs]

MAGGIE: They have, like, a BDSM feel to them? You might, like, wanna look up pictures of the Cenobites, cause it could really help you. The OG Cenobites are Pinhead, who is played by Doug Bradley, who lives in Pittsburgh, where I'm from, and thank god I found that out, because if I ran into him, I'd pass out. And then there's the Female, who is a balding woman, who usually has a hook with her, and then Chatterer, who has no eyes and chattering teeth, and Butterball, who is a- a husky fellow with some glasses on. (SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]) So, yeah, that's what it's about, and basically Kirsty makes a deal with the Cenobites to not kill her if she returns to them her uncle Frank, who has escaped from them. (SCOTT: Oh.) They thought they killed him, and he escaped, and now, she's luring Kirsty's stepmother, who was always in love with him, to lure men into her house, and then she kills them, and he sucks them apart and gains more body. So there's a skinless guy in it for most of the movie, it's really mostly a family drama in a house.

SCOTT: [laughs]

SHANNON: Wait, I don't- so what is it that appeals to you? Other than, like, the horror and the effects and the genre of it, what about it makes it your favorite?

MAGGIE: Um, you know that's a great question, cause I've watched it- like, when I'm writing or editing or working, it's always on in the background. Especially, like, early morning when I work, and my husband, Billy, is always like, "ah, yes, nothing like a disemboweling at 8 in the morning. I'm so happy to wake up to this again." I think it's because- well, the music is gorgeous, and there's something so gothic and weird about it (SCOTT: Cool.), and it's so 80s, so it has, like this weird 80s vibe to it. There's fun, strong women in it who have blood on their face, and they're running around, and the Cenobites are not in the film very much, and there's such a mystery to them, and it's, like, fun to see them in these costumes and- I don't know why people like horror, but I fucking love it. I can't explain it. But I do- I love- I've seen this movie more than any movie ever, and will continue to watch it again and again.

SCOTT: Alright.

MAGGIE: And when I explain it, I understand how it seems like I am insane.

SHANNON: [laughs] Well, I dunno, I mean, we've definitely had weirder topics on the show. So I'm very excited to dig into this and figure out how we're going to incorporate it into our genre, which we are so excited to (crosstalk) reveal to you. Yeah.

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) Oh, so excited.

SCOTT: I think there might be some- some crossover? (crosstalk) Ish? Maybe?

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah, maybe! Yeah, maybe.

SCOTT: I don't know.

SHANNON: Well, we'll have to see.

SCOTT: Well. Do you wanna know what it is?

MAGGIE: Yes! What is it?

SCOTT: This week, we are writing a J-Ska song, which is Japanese ska, about Hellraiser!

MAGGIE: This is the best day of my life.

SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]

SHANNON: Yeah, so, J-Ska is very similar to ska, so it's going to sound familiar to you.


SCOTT: And, uh, sung by Japanese people!

MAGGIE: Yeah! Yep! Yeah, that's the only difference?

SCOTT: Do you speak Japanese?

MAGGIE: Uh, well, actually, the two women I work with the most in the company are Japanese.

SCOTT: Oh, we should've brought them in.

MAGGIE: So I know- I know, you really should have. So, I know "hai." And my husband's actually learning Japanese. I know "hai" and, uh.... I can't remember anything else.

SHANNON and MAGGIE: [laugh]

SCOTT: We can incorporate "hai." (MAGGIE: Yeah.) In the song. [laughs]


MAGGIE: Oh, I remember what it is. "Ohaiyo!" (SCOTT: Yeah!) is good morning, I think, yeah. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah, so that's what we're going to be doing for you. We're going to be banishing you for a little bit.

MAGGIE: I cannot wait.

SCOTT: Think of it as opening a puzzle box and getting torn apart out of this apartment.

SHANNON: Oh, Jesus.

MAGGIE: [laughs] That was really good, that was really great.

SCOTT: Just trying to connect the dots here.

MAGGIE: I see you've been reading the Wikipedia description of this while we've been sitting here. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah, amazing. So we're gonna do a little bit more research into Hellraiser, maybe watch some clips? I feel like (crosstalk) that would be helpful.

MAGGIE: You should watch some clips, you should probably look up the list of the Cenobites, I feel like that's gonna give you a really good idea of how ridiculous this can get.

SCOTT: I've also got a little surprise in mind for you, so. (crosstalk) Get excited.

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) Oh my gosh, very exciting. Oh guys, I'm so excited! Okay, I'm going.

SHANNON: Yeah, okay, we'll see you soon.

SCOTT: See you soon!

[Timestamp: 34:40]

[transition theme plays]

SCOTT: So, Maggie's gone.


SCOTT: I want to look up the music (SHANNON: Yeah.) from Hellraiser, the theme song, since she said that it has beautiful music, and see if we can incorporate it into our song.

SHANNON: I think that's a fabulous idea, especially given ska's proclivity for covering (SCOTT: Yeah!) other songs.

SCOTT: Covering, sampling, I think it'll be fun to kind of reference it (SHANNON: Amazing.) in our song.

SHANNON: Okay, I'm gonna read more about the plot of the movie, cause honestly, I couldn't make heads or tails of that. [laughs]

SCOTT: It sounds bonkers.

SHANNON: It sounds totally bonkers!

SCOTT: Yeah, I- I still don't understand (crosstalk) where this puzzle box came from?

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Why? Yeah.

SCOTT: Why people wanna open it? How this Frank guy survived? (crosstalk) Like, I dunno.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah, and then once they're released, do they just run around the world and kill people? And why- but like, you want to be killed by them?

SCOTT: Yeah?

SHANNON: Cause you like pain?

SCOTT: I guess.

SHANNON: Question mark?

SCOTT: We'll find out.


SCOTT: We're gonna read more. [laughs]


SCOTT: Alright, let's go!

SHANNON: Let's go.

[shortened transition theme plays]

SHANNON: So, this is definitely a sex thing.

SCOTT: You think so? (crosstalk) Or you know so.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) No, I explicitly know so. [laugh]

SCOTT: [laugh] How explicitly?

SHANNON: Uh, well, they- uh, the Cenobites (SCOTT: Yes.) are amoral entities blindly devoted to the practice of experimental sado-masochism.


SHANNON: Yeah. And, um, there were apparently a lot more explicit scenes in the film that ended up getting cut.

SCOTT: Sure.

SHANNON: And, uh, a lot of the film was censored also for violent reasons, but-

SCOTT: Yeah, not surprised.

SHANNON: Yeah, so, can I just read a quote from Clive Barker in Samhain Magazine? (SCOTT: Uh-huh.) Samhain, just like the- we heard a couple weeks ago about (crosstalk) Samhain is-

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Wow! The Wiccan holiday?

SHANNON: Yep, yep. So here's what he said. "Well, we did have a slight problem with the eroticism. I shot a much hotter flashback sequence than they would allow us to cut in. Mine was more explicit and less violent. They wanted to substitute one kind of undertow for another. I had a much more explicit sexual encounter between Frank and Julia, but they said no, let's take out the sodomy and put in the flick knife."

SCOTT: Oh my god.

SHANNON: And then he also said, in commentary for the film, he said, "We did a version of this scene which had some spanking in it and the MPAA-" which is the, uh, the (crosstalk) ratings organization-

SCOTT: (crosstalk) The ratings organization?

SHANNON: "-was not very appreciative of that. Lord knows where the spanking footage is. Somebody has it somewhere. The MPAA told me I was allowed two consecutive buttock thrusts from Frank but three is deemed obscene!" (crosstalk) It's just like-

SCOTT: [laughs] (crosstalk) Can we name our band "Three Buttock Thrust"?

SHANNON: "Pinhead and the Three Thrusts"?

SCOTT: "The Three Buttock Thrusts."

SHANNON: Yes, great, I love it.

SCOTT: [laugh]

SHANNON: It's like- you know when people do end zone dances, and you can do, like, one thing, (crosstalk) but not three?

SCOTT: (crosstalk) It's like the Key and Peele sketch, yeah. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah, yeah. Uh, so, that was crazy. But yeah, they're supposedly- like, the reason that this puzzle box is sought by people is because they're looking for that next level of sado-masochistic (crosstalk) sexual pleasure.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Something they can't get, yeah, from anyone else.

SHANNON: Yeah. Um, so I- (SCOTT: Okay.) What I ended up trying to do is just, like, give the setup of the movie in my lyrics, essentially? (SCOTT: Okay!) Like, I wanted to set up the dramatic question.

SCOTT: Got it, got it.

SHANNON: And, you know, ska lyrics tend to be lighter-hearted than punk lyrics (SCOTT: Sure.), but I think not nearly as- they're not nearly as much of the focus of the music as they are even in reggae or calypso? So I wanted to do- I did a kind of narrative verse, and then the chorus goes between vocalized "ohs" or vocalization (SCOTT: Fun!) and a couple lines that we can repeat.

SCOTT: Okay!

SHANNON: Would you like to hear my lyrics?

SCOTT: Yes, please.

SHANNON: Here we go! "Moroccan box from lower Hell / Unrivaled by Pandora / Violent Cenobites who’d fit / In Sodom and Gomorrah / Angels, demons, which are they / Depends on who you’re asking / Can Kristy C. escape their pull / After Frank’s unmasking?"


SHANNON: And then the chorus is "oh oh oh" or however you wanna structure the rhythm there. "We’re young and hot and raising hell." (SCOTT: [laughs]) "Oh oh oh / From an extradimensional realm / Oh oh oh / We’re young and hot and raising hell / Oh oh oh / Under a sadomasochistic spell."

SCOTT: Nice.

SHANNON: Yeah! That's fun, right?

SCOTT: Your "oh oh oh" is going to work perfectly with what I did musically.

SHANNON: Yes! Is it over the perpy horn?

SCOTT: It's over the perpy horns, and it's to the tune of the Hellraiser theme song.

SHANNON: Oh my god!

SCOTT: So I looked up the Hellraiser theme song, it's this sweeping orchestral kind of score, written by Christopher Young, and the main melody in it is this three note pattern that goes (sings) "dah dah dah". Here's a little bit of the actual orchestra playing it.

[Timestamp: 39:53]

[About 10 seconds of orchestral theme of Hellraiser.]

SHANNON: Beautiful.

SCOTT: So, that's the melody that I'm putting in the horns in the chorus, but on a ska rhythm, so (sings) "bah, dah, dah."

SHANNON: (high-pitched) "Bah."

SCOTT: Right, and we can sing over that, "oh oh oh". [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah! So, good!

SCOTT: And then, I kind of just, like, veer off of it from there, because I couldn't really, y'know, turn this orchestral thing into the full-on ska song.

SHANNON: Right, right.

SCOTT: And I wanted to make sure it still felt true to ska without having those strings in there.

SHANNON: Yeah, fair enough.

SCOTT: So, uh, I'll play you what those horns sound like now.

[About 10 seconds of a horn track.]


SCOTT: Then I have two different guitar tracks, one that's doing the offbeat ska rhythm, and that plays during both the verses and the chorus, and that sounds like this.

[7 seconds of the offbeat guitar track.]

SHANNON: Okay, yes.

SCOTT: Skanking.


SCOTT: And then another guitar that comes in, more like a rhythmic pattern, during just the chorus. It was to kind of fill out the sound a little bit, and that sounds like this.

[6 seconds of the rhythmic guitar track.]

SHANNON: Lovely.

SCOTT: Then, bass, of course.


SCOTT: Funky!

[5 seconds of the bass line.]

SCOTT: And, finally, the drum beat! Which is doing a four on the floor.

SHANNON: Naturally.

SCOTT: On the kick, and then playing a lot of offbeats to match that skanked rhythm on the guitar on the hi-hat and the snare.

[7 seconds of the drum line.]

SHANNON: Ska is, like, all of my favorite musical elements all put together.

SCOTT: I think ska is your thing!

SHANNON: But even though- I- but, like, I don't love it? (SCOTT: [laughs]) But it is very fun. But it has my four on the floor, it has my perpy horns, it has my funky bass, I dunno.

SCOTT: Yeah, it's got everything that I want, but I don't love it.

SHANNON: Yeah, I don't know.

SCOTT: Something's wrong with you. [laughs]

SHANNON: It's like, uh, yeah. And no- no Japanese lyrics, sorry guys.

SCOTT: Can we do, like, anything in there? Can we throw one thing in?

SHANNON: Mmm. Maybe.

SCOTT: Just like, shout "hai" at the end of the chorus or something?

SHANNON: Yes, perfect.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Okay, let's do that. [laughs]

SHANNON: (crosstalk) I'm putting it in the lyrics, we're going to shout "yes" in Japanese at the end of each chorus.



SCOTT: Just like that.


SCOTT: Alright, cool.

SHANNON: We do'd it.

SCOTT: What should we call it?

SHANNON: Um, Young & Hot & Raising Hell?

SCOTT: I think that's right. [laughs]

SHANNON: And are we going to be Frank and the Three Buttock Thrusts?

SCOTT: Is it Frank or Pinhead?

SHANNON: Oh. Uh, I think Frank sounds better.

SCOTT: Frank and the Three Buttock Thrusts.


SCOTT: [laughs] Let's do it.

SHANNON: I did read that a lot of ska bands don't take their, uh, titles too- their names too seriously? (SCOTT: Sure, yeah.) And we also saw that in the Japanese ska.

SCOTT: Right.


SCOTT: Okay, cool. So, let's record the song, and then we'll bring Maggie back and tell her all about it.

SHANNON: Let's do it!

[Timestamp: 43:02]

[transition theme plays]

SHANNON: We're back with Maggie Carr!

SCOTT: Welcome back!

MAGGIE: Yay! I'm so excited!

SHANNON: Uh, we've written a Hellraiser song.

MAGGIE: (in the background) Yes!

SCOTT: We have. We, uh, we watched the trailer, didn't help. We read the Wikipedia plot summary.

SHANNON: Yeah, I think the- the big breakthrough for me was, um, I think you really undersold the sex part of it?


SHANNON: Yeah, you really did. Um, so-

SCOTT: And we did ask you if it was a sex thing? And-

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah, you said kinda!

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Clearly, it's clearly a sex thing.

MAGGIE: [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah, yeah. We read- so, we also named our ska band, which came from a Clive Barker quote.

MAGGIE: Oh my gosh.

SHANNON: Okay, so, the name of our ska band comes from a quote where he was talking about the seduction scene that got cut between (crosstalk) Frank and Kristy-

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) Oh, yes, the long- yeah, well they put it into the next movie, it's very racy.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Ooh.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Oh boy.

SCOTT: Oh yeah, there's nine sequels.

SHANNON: Yes, there are nine sequels, (crosstalk) which we found out.

MAGGIE: I have seen all nine. [laughs]

SHANNON: Oh my god. So the quote was, "The MPAA told me I was allowed two consecutive buttock thrusts from Frank but three is deemed inappropriate-" or "deemed obscene," so we are "Frank and the Three Buttock Thrusts." [laughs]


MAGGIE: [claps] That is great. The sad thing about me is I have read that quote.

EVERYONE: [laughs]

SCOTT: Already familiar.


SCOTT: Frank and the Three Buttock Thrusts.

SHANNON: Uh, do you wanna talk about any music points for Maggie (crosstalk) to listen to as we play?

SCOTT: (crosstalk) I would love to. So you actually just walked in, and as we were talking about the trailer, sang a little bit of the theme song.


SCOTT: Right, the (sings) "dah dah dah".


SCOTT: That's the melody for our chorus.

MAGGIE: I'm gonna cry. [laughs]

SCOTT: Just those three notes. I didn't want to, like, put in strings and sample the orchestral version or anything, because that doesn't really fit with ska, but just like, you'll hear that our chorus is based on those three notes.

MAGGIE: Oh my gosh. This is the best thing in the entire world.

SHANNON: And to incorporate the Japanese aspect of it, we just yell "hai" at the end of the chorus.

SHANNON and MAGGIE: [laugh]

SCOTT: It's the best we could do.

SHANNON: It was too hard, it was too hard to do it otherwise.

SCOTT: But horror is a popular genre in Japanese culture, (SHANNON: True.) so I think this works.

MAGGIE: Yeah! J-horror, J-Ska, I'm sure that there's a J-horror movie that is- like, has J-Ska as its score.

SCOTT: Probably. And if not, we're going to make it with Harridan Productions!

MAGGIE: Yeah! With Frank and the Three Buttock Thrusts. Is that the name?

SHANNON: [laughs] (crosstalk) Yes. Yes.

SCOTT: [laughs] (crosstalk) Yup.

MAGGIE: Oh man.

SHANNON: Okay, so should we- should we debut the song?

SCOTT: Let's debut the song, (crosstalk) and then-

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) Oh my god, I can't wait!

SCOTT: We'll debrief with Maggie afterwards.

SHANNON: Yeah. So, this is "We're Young & Hot & Raising Hell".

SCOTT: A J-Ska song.

SHANNON: By Frank and the Three Buttock Thrusts.

SCOTT: About Hellraiser.

SHANNON: By Shannon and Scott.

[Timestamp: 45:54]

[Song plays - all the tracks from before are layered, with vocals over it.


Moroccan box from lower Hell

Unrivaled by Pandora

Violent Cenobites who’d fit

In Sodom and Gomorrah

Angels, demons, which are they

Depends on who you’re asking

Can Kristy C. escape their pull

After Frank’s unmasking?

Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

We’re young and hot and raising hell

Oh oh oh

From an extradimensional realm

Oh oh oh

We’re young and hot and raising hell

Oh oh oh

Under a sadomasochistic spell


Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

Oh oh oh

We’re young and hot and raising hell

Oh oh oh

From an extradimensional realm

Oh oh oh

We’re young and hot and raising hell

Oh oh oh

Under a sadomasochistic spell


SCOTT: So? What do you think?

MAGGIE: Oh, man, it's perfect! I love it so much. I also like that you're describing the Cenobites as young and hot.

SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]

MAGGIE: If you haven't heard of the Cenobites, go ahead and Google them and you'll see that they're neither young nor hot.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) No, they're not.

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) I mean, hot, maybe, to you, I dunno. I don't wanna-

SCOTT: Well, to Frank, I guess, that's- (MAGGIE: Yeah.) that's kinda what he was looking for.

MAGGIE: Yeah, it was. Yeah. Oh, it was so good. I also like that you refer to Kirsty Cotton as Kirsty C.

SCOTT: [laughs]


SCOTT: Oh I think I might've said Kristy C in the lyrics when I sang it.


SCOTT: Whoops.

SHANNON: Oh well.

MAGGIE: Her name is Kirsty.

SCOTT: Like Kirstie Alley.

MAGGIE: Yes. [laughs]

SHANNON: Oops. (crosstalk) That's problematic.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) The only other Kirstie that's famous. [laughs]

MAGGIE: God, it's so- it's so- it's amazing how the gothic score of Hellraiser works well in ska. [laughs]

SCOTT: (sings) "Oh oh oh." Yeah, it worked well! Well, it's also helpful that it's only a three note melody, so it's easy to just throw on there.

MAGGIE: Yeah, yeah. [laughs]

SHANNON: Maggie, I'm so glad that you liked our song and I'm so glad you came to play with us today!

MAGGIE: I'm so glad you had me, this has been, like, the best day of my life. All I ever want is people to write songs based on my thoughts of Hellraiser.

SCOTT: [laughs] We could do a whole spinoff podcast of just Hellraiser songs.

MAGGIE: I mean, yeah, you really could. There is a whole Hellraiser podcast, (SHANNON: Really?) and I've listened to all of it, yes.

SHANNON: Oh my god. So they just, like, go through all of the sequels and talk about it.

MAGGIE: That is exactly what they do, it's two British guys, and they go through every one and break them down (SCOTT: Wow.) into great detail, and it's the only podcast I've listened to in its entirety.

SCOTT: Need to start watching these.

SHANNON: I will not start watching these. [laughs]

MAGGIE: [laughs] They are very violent. You wouldn't like them, they're very violent.

SHANNON: Yeah, I'm just not a- I'm not a horror person. (crosstalk) I'm not them.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) I am.

SHANNON: Yeah I know.

MAGGIE: (in the background) You are?!

SCOTT: But not, like, classic horror, that's the thing, I'm very bad at going back and watching things that, like, helped develop the genre. I like contemporary horror films.

MAGGIE: Oh, really? What's your favorite thing recently?

SCOTT: Well, I love the Jordan Peele (crosstalk) movies, and-

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) Oh, yeah, well, he's like the new- I read a Tweet that he's basically the new Hitchcock.

SCOTT: He really is. (crosstalk) It's incredible.

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) I think so too.

SCOTT: And then, I loved Hereditary too.

MAGGIE: Oh, yeah, so good! Toni Collette was unbelievable in that!

SCOTT: That's the kind of horror I like, and also like, those horror TV shows that have been (crosstalk) bouncing around.

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) Yeah, they're a lot of fun. But you've never done, like, a deep dive, 80s horror, golden age horror-

SCOTT: No, no, I haven't.

MAGGIE: Oh, they're really fun. And, like, also the black and white, old-timey horror is really great. A good one to start with is the 1980s "Thing", the John Carpenter film, is based off of a, I believe, 50s film, that's black and white, called "The Thing From Another World", which is a really good and scary movie, but it does- in that, the Thing is not a bloody mammal, it's a vegetable monster. (SCOTT: Oh...) It's made of vegetable matter.

SCOTT: [laughs]

SHANNON: Oh my god, well, Maggie is gonna show up at your apartment with a box of DVDs.

SCOTT: Alright. (crosstalk) I just need a DVD player. [laughs]

MAGGIE: (crosstalk) I mean, listen, if you ever need me to come over and give you a list, I will give you, like, a mixtape of horror (SCOTT: Yes!), it's my favorite- in fact, anybody. If you message me, I'll give you recommendations and quizzes on each one.

SHANNON: [laughs]

SCOTT: Good segue into (MAGGIE: Yeah.) how can people find you, again?

MAGGIE: You can find me on Instagram @maggiecar with one R, and on Twitter @magthecar, with one R. And Harridan and Interview and Hands to Hands, uh, Harridan is @harridanproductions or @harridantv on Twitter, @harridanproductions on Instagram, Interview is @interviewtheshow on Instagram, @interviewsketch on Twitter, and Hands to Hands is @handstohandsdoc on Instagram and YouTube!

SCOTT: Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us, Maggie.

MAGGIE: Thank you, guys! You made a ska, J-Ska song about Hellraiser. (SHANNON and SCOTT: [laugh]) Best day of my life!

SCOTT: It was a lowercase J, it was very little J.

MAGGIE: [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah, yeah, we kinda forgot about that a little bit.

SCOTT: [laughs] Hai.



[Timestamp: 51:07]

[shortened transition theme]

SHANNON: Oh, oh, oh.

SCOTT: [laughs] Hai.


SCOTT: That was fun.

SHANNON: That was super fun.

SCOTT: Good topic.


SCOTT: You know, we've done a couple movie episodes, but they've always been very obscure, strange things, so this is the first, like, well-known movie that we've written a song about.

SHANNON: Yeah, I mean, and- I don't really still feel like I understand the movie?


SHANNON: (crosstalk) Yeah, no.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) I feel like even if I watched it, I wouldn't really understand it. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah, no, same. But that was a lot of fun, and I do feel like the topic and the genre kinda came together at the end.

SCOTT: Yeah, worked nicely.

SHANNON: Yeah. Thanks, Maggie!

SCOTT: Yeah, check her out. She's doing great things.


SCOTT: And if you wanna hear more from us, you can follow us on songsaladpodcast.com, find all the links to our social media pages, like Twitter @songsaladcast, and our Facebook group.

SHANNON: Song Salad Podcast - The Produce Section.


SHANNON: Uh, you can also leave us a review, and we'll give you a shoutout.

SCOTT: That'd be nice!

SHANNON: And if you can't leave a review, for whatever reason, or you don't feel like it, you could be like Anjolaoluwa, who told all of her friends about us (SCOTT: Aww!), and then told us that she told all of her friends about us.

SCOTT: We like hearing that.

SHANNON: Yeah, thank you so much! And if you could spread the word, it really does help, word of mouth is how most people find new podcasts? So, yeah, do that.

SCOTT: I found this new podcast, it was just laying there on the ground, really dusty.

SHANNON: And then, I- I opened it. (SCOTT: [gasps]) And demons came out.

SCOTT: And had sex with me, before killing me. [laughs]

SHANNON: Yeah. [laughs]

SCOTT: Is that what happens? It's kinda what I'm picturing.

SHANNON: Yeah. It becomes a puzzle box. This podcast is a puzzlebox.

SCOTT: Yes, it is.


SCOTT: We're going to change the salad spinner to the puzzlebox. [laughs] Until next week!

SHANNON: I'm Shannon.

SCOTT: And I'm Scott.

SHANNON: And this has been Song Salad.


SHANNON and SCOTT: Your veggies.

SHANNON: (crosstalk) Your creepy veggies.

SCOTT: (crosstalk) Alone. In an attic. Surrounded by candles.

[tuner sound as they fade out]

SHANNON and SCOTT: 1, 2, 3, 4.

[outro theme plays]

Shannon Deep